03-01-2001
09:58 AM
I
must preface the following with a bit of melodrama. I feel
a bit unqualified to answer the next few questions for the
following reason. The way you and I look at life and death
and its relative value is radically different. As any other
soldier can tell you, once you watch a man's arm come off
from a bullet you just fired or have been close enough to
feel someone's last breath on your face, it changes you. I
can only describe it in two distinct waves. The first feeling
is power. You won when it counted and survived. All the personal
shortcomings and faults you've carried with you your whole
life just melt away in a savage euphoria.
If there's time to think about it, the next wave comes shortly
after and is underlined by overwhelming guilt. You just killed
someone and now God might be ticked off. Fortunately, the
second feeling goes away quickly when the shooting starts
again and gets shorter and shorter after every battle. After
all, why would God put you in this situation? The point is,
I personally do not like going through that cycle and the
decisions I make about life and death might not be the ones
you would expect me to make.
How
come it doesn't bother you that people may die through your
inaction yet you find it "morally wrong" that you
might affect lives by active involvement?
I'm
not sure I said it didn't bother me, I only stated I won't
interfere on purpose. Again I refer to a historical example.
Before Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941, a small group of
US soldiers were experimenting with a new technology called
RADAR. As the Japanese planes were flying toward the island,
they actually picked them up in time to thwart the surprise
attack. Unfortunately, they were unfamiliar with the equipment
and figured it wasn't working correctly. As you are aware,
the ruthlessness of the Japanese "sneak" attack
galvanized the US people into entering WWII.
As a time traveler it would be easy for me to take a short
hike up that hill where the RADAR operators were and point
out to them that indeed the equipment was working just fine
and they should probably call it in. Assuming they believed
me, it is arguable that my lone single action could start
a chain of events that would allow the US to meet the Japanese
planes and stop them from attacking the battleships. As a
result, the US people would still be angry but not motivated
to enter the war fully since the Japanese were not a perceived
threat. Thus, you don't begin research on the atomic bomb
until well after Hitler has already dropped a couple on London.
I could save thousands of men on the Arizona at the cost of
millions in London. I just don't know how one life will affect
another. However, if I were standing next to a soldier who
was about to be shot by a passing Japanese plane, I would
push him to safety. I realize this is inconsistent on a small
scale but I am tired of watching people die in front of me.
If there is a price to pay for that than so be it.
Isn't it just as wrong to affect
lives through inaction as it is through action?
Why are you
concerned about what I might do to corrupt your worldline
when you have no problem letting other people do it around
you every day? Do you blame yourself for not taking any action
right now to "save" people living on your streets
or suffering from poverty and disease? Besides, how exactly
would you propose I decide who to tell and who not to tell?
(provided I knew anything at all).
Your immediate decision, in itself,
is its own authority.
What God
judges about my decision is the only authority. Again, all
the things you claim I can do you are capable of also.
If
good and evil achieve a balance in the larger picture, the
question of you being required to decide who lives or dies
is moot.
It's
not moot to me. To tell you the truth, I'm afraid. I don't
want the responsibility of being expected to know who lives
and who dies. I know it would change me for the worse. Besides,
how can you be sure my "inaction" now isn't a result
of something I've already screwed up and I'm trying to fix
it? Javier might be right after all. Thanks for the good questions.
03-01-2001 11:45 PM
Are
the singularities in your machine supposed to be offsetting
the light cones of particles within it's sphere of influence
allowing the worldlines of these particles to appear to loop
form the perspective of particles outside the effected area?
No,
that's not how it works. The singularities are used to manipulate
gravity around the observer. The singularities do not interact
with any matter except the electrons that are injected onto
its event horizon. The hazardous areas of gravity are quite
small and exist only around the inner singularity ring and
another area created in the gravity sinusoid outside the vehicle.
I don't mean to insult you by spelling out the obvious
but that seems the most obvious need of a singularity.
No
insult taken. I would imagine we both agree that standing
behind an operating jet engine is an unhealthy thing to do
also.
If
so, how can you account for generating a gravity well deep
enough to create a disparity between light cones without sucking
the planet through the eye of a needle?
The
gravity well created by the singularities is not that large.
The portion of the field that is felt by the operator is about
the equivalent of 2 Gs. I would urge you to examine a Penrose
diagram for a Kerr black hole. As you are probably aware,
the singularity is donut shaped and exhibits two event horizons.
The singularities are used to "simulate" a path
through the center of one of these singularities which is
what takes the observer to an alternate worldline. Earlier
in the thread I did go into this in a bit more detail.
Also, this requires motion through the space immediately
influenced by the mass, yet you claim travel is accomplished
while the traveler is stationary.
The
unit must be stationary during operation due to the sensitivity
of the gravity sensors. Any motion with an acceleration component
would throw the gravity measurement from the sigularities
off.
03-02-2001 08:01 AM
Are you posting on other boards without
revealing yourself as a time traveler?
Not really,
there are a number of science rooms and other chats I do visit
and just sit and watch. I have discovered that people who
frequent this board and some others have the most open and
creative minds. I realize no one actually believes me but
they are still able to
Are
you in contact with time travelers in 2036? What percentage
of people accept time travel in 2036?
The
general public was informed about time travel around 2034.
Yes, I have had conversations with other time travelers on
my home worldline. Your insight on the public is more or less
correct. I would say 60% of the people realize what it is
and the possible implications, 20% of the people don't care,
10% don't believe it and another 10% see it as something that
should be banned and stopped.
Imagine
if a time traveler from the future came to this time period
and told us the secret of time travel.
Yes,
imagine that. Do you think that would be a good thing or a
bad thing?
About
the commercials, they are ignorant.
Back
in the 50s and 60s, television commercials were pretty straightforward.
Usually along the lines of, "Cheese! It's good! Buy cheese."
In the 70s, there was more identification with a producer
or trademark but the commercials were still pretty easy to
understand. "Buy this beer, it tastes great!" Today,
I have no idea what some commercials are advertising until
they show the logo at the end. Do you find this more effective?
Only recently have I seen this move toward dark humor. I've
never seen anything like it before, even in "your"
archives in 2036.
Is spiritual awakening a difficult process?
I believe
spiritual awakening is difficult. Why? I think God wants us
back but the road we have to haul is no picnic. Maybe he's
a little angry for some reason.
I think the world is seductively clever in its presentation.
"It" wants us to stay here and it distracts us from
God by creating want, greed and four or five other motivations.
Our goal should be to; yes, have faith and do good deeds but
also look past that and have the wisdom and knowledge to realize
that this place, this world, this universe is not really our
home. The question I ask myself is not can I get to God, it's,
am I prepared for what will it be like when I get there.
There
are plenty of great mysteries, but if your goal is to get
to God', it is not necessary to solve them.
I
mean mysteries not of this world. For example: I suspect that
the final thing we will have to give up to get to God is our
free will. Do you think many people will be standing at the
pearly gates saying "yes" to that one if they had
a choice to come back here?
What do you see for the future
of time travel on your worldline?
That's a
good question. I am hopeful that one day when we get the planet
cleaned up it will be a nice place to live on again and no
one will want to leave it. On the other hand, if time travel
were commonplace right now, I think a great many people would
leave and perhaps never return. There is also a suggestion
that time travel might make an interesting punishment. However,
I don't think we have the right to force criminals on unsuspecting
worldlines and sending them to the Stone Age might be a bit
much.
I
thought I met another time traveler who said they were from
2036 once.
Although
not impossible, I doubt there is another time traveler here
from 2036. I have been chatting on and off for quite a while
and in other chatrooms. I have also seen and heard about other
people who have taken a creative license with some of the
things I've said and posted. It might have been me but I've
never heard of the DNE.
I find this fascinating. Has California
had the big earthquake?
The big one?
As you are experiencing now, there are earthquakes, storms
and other unfortunate surprises from Mother Nature that have
impacts on your society and future history. That is one reason
I won't go into detail. However, don't worry too much about
major portions of coastline slipping under water.
03-05-2001 02:02 AM
After
he offered to take people back with him, do most of you believe
John is sincere in everything he says?
Would
you do me a favor and point out exactly where I made that
offer? I do recall a few people asking what it would be like
but I don't believe I ever offered to take people back.
03-05-2001 11:23 AM
What music do 20 year olds listen
to?
People
listen to all types of music. A great deal of it is available
over the web. I would also add that people spend much more
time making their own music.
What's the future of cloning?
Cloning full
people has been determined to be medically and ethically unsound.
We do have research and progress in cloning body parts and
creating more viable sperm and egg production.
Any more on Bill Gates?
Not really.
Just curious, why is he of such interest?
Do people wear chips yet?
No. People
value their personal independence and ability to take care
of themselves.
Are you a marked man?
Not
that I'm aware of.
I would still like to know what population
makes a city big.
Cities become
targets because of their military and economic value. Any
large area supported by a civil infrastructure is likely to
be on that list.
Your
time sounds grim. Are you tempted to finish your mission and
then retire in the 1970's?
Not
at all. I'm anxious to get home.
What did you think about those commercials?
I think those
commercials capitalize on other people's misery and misfortune
in an attempt to sell a product. I can understand coming up
with an idea like but what confuses me is how does it get
past that stage? How do people sit in a room around a large
conference table and agree that leaving a critically injured
person lying in the snow is funny and will sell cell phones?
03-05-2001 12:24 PM
Although
your post wasn't truly an invitation to join you when you
travel back, I can see how it could have been taken that way.
I'm
sure many things by many people are taken in many ways. I
find this an interesting point because I think its important
to have implied agreements on words and meanings before you
can talk with another person. If it wasn't an invitation (by
your own acknowledgement), am I responsible for what people
think? If I am, how would you propose that I double-check
that? Are there really that many people out there upset about
this?
I'm still waiting for that public
apology.
I publicly apologize for confusing
anyone who is packing their old bell-bottoms and shalls for
a trip back to 1975.
Just curious can you think of anything I could do to prove
to you that I'm not a time traveler?
03-05-2001 02:50 PM
Is reverse speech used in the
future?
I'm not very
familiar with reverse speech but what I saw on the web leads
me to conclude it's a bit objective. I'm not sure if its been
proven scientifically to be very accurate. Are you aware of
any research that shows that?
What about earthquakes in California
or Nevada?
No I can't.
Besides, I see others predicting earthquakes and very few
people pay any attention to them.
Thanks
for starting this topic and sharing your time with us. We
are really enjoying it!
I
appreciate that a great deal. Your future will be fine.
Warping time and space takes lots
of energy.
Yes it does. A nuclear aircraft carrier
and a space shuttle main engine also take a great deal of
energy.
Hawking believes it's possible to build a time machine but
a mysterious energy will destroy it if anyone tries to use
it. In my opinion, manipulating gravity is not the hard part
of time travel. Also, with great power comes great responsibility.
If man has a limitation, that's it.
What
if something happens to your device and you couldn't leave.
Would you do anything different?
No,
I wouldn't do anything different if my machine broke. I would
still be a stranger and a guest here. My opinions and "announcements"
would also be the same as anyone else's. I may however offer
advice to my younger self.
I still have some questions you have not responded to.
If I missed
something feel free to bring it up again.
Why
aren't you traveling and telling us about your trip to the
pyramids?
Yes,
that would be fascinating but the unit I have is unable to
go back that far accurately.
Instead
of talking about specifics you should be bored from your awareness
to them.
Not
at all, I find the subject fascinating. There are two real
issues I hope people think about when I'm gone. One, how will
you react when another time traveler shows up and two, how
are we going to handle the responsibility of time travel when
its invented.
Are the Great Pyramids standing in
2036?
Yes, although
one of them was severely damaged.
If
you wish to experience society as it was, admitting yourself
to be a time traveler is counter-productive.
Yes,
if I was here for that purpose and if you believed me I suppose
that would be an issue.
How's
communication around the world in 2036. Do you still have
literature widely available?
Yes,
books and other literature are available but most of the distribution
is via the net.
What's
the latest book you've read that you were only able to hear
about in your own time?
The
latest book I read was the autobiography of the Red Baron
compiled from letters to his mother. Yes, I was aware of it
in my own time but finding an original copy there was almost
impossible.
Is new literature also so available?
Yes.
Is
the English language segmenting? Is tourism still strong and
thriving in 2036?
I
would say the English language is pretty much the same as
it is now. There are differences in slang and figures of speech
but it's nothing you couldn't pick up. Yes, I suppose we do
have "tourism".
Can you tell me when the police stop
busting people for weed?
It happens
about the same time they stop coming to your house when you
dial 911.
Do they start pushing for legalization
earlier than the war?
It's not really an issue of the government
letting you do something; It's more like they have other things
to worry about. Don't you feel you're capable of taking care
of yourself? If you want to take mood-altering drugs, why
should my opinions stop you from that? They don't stop you
from taking alcohol, tobacco or fast food.
In any case, it also lets Darwin take over. One of the reasons
drug abuse isn't a major problem in 2036 is because no one
wants to die from it and everyone else who did is dead.
03-07-2001 04:48 PM
In
the 18th Century, a pantomime Clown was known as John Trot,
Clodpole and Clodpate.
Unfortunately,
I'm not that well read. But it does look like an interesting
story and I will be sure to pick it up if it sparks a connection
between it and me. Madam I'm Adam
that's the only one
I know.
03-08-2001 03:39 AM
I believe I have exposed John
with the anagram in his name.
I find this
interesting because it gives me a very tempting easy out.
I could now rest assured that someone had "figured me
out" and I can relax before I leave.
However, I am not (other forum member) and this name and TTO
are the only names I've used online. After looking at my name
here, have you considered its origin from another word-play
standpoint? For example, TITOR could equal Time-Travel-OR.
After looking at your name (forum member name), I can pull
out "MEET ME TAR BABY" which I'm assuming is a reference
to the Song of the South. In that case, are you telling us
in a secret way that you are trying to distract us by fooling
us in the bre'r patch?
I would not insult your collective intelligence by leaving
a hook out there for you to discover while I was making sport
of you. Whether I'm a time traveler or not, I think we've
spoken about many important things I would not want to diminish.
08
March 2001 11:23
The
fact that he said he could not complete a 0 divergent trip
meant that he could not return to his timeline and a mission
into the past to help his people is logically flawed.
I
thought we went over that to your satisfaction? Doesn't everyone
know after looking at a Penrose for a Kerr singularity that
you have to travel faster than light to get to the "exact"
same worldline?
I
can see your not amused that we would be confused as the same
person. I did find it flattering. I think you find some of
the physics questions we're dealing with on other sites quite
interesting...perhaps even convincing.
08
March 2001 17:37
Your
argument was not sufficient. You suggested that an alternate
you may return to your worldline. It just does not seem logical.
As
you are aware, approaching a rotating singularity can be done
quite easily without experiencing the negative side effects
of a massive gravitational field and it's very possible to
"pass" through the center of the ring. Besides,
if you did need a naked singularity, all you would have to
do is increase the rotation or electric charge so the inner
even horizon equals the diameter of the outer event horizon.
I
realize my posts here have become tiresome and my "story"
is old so If I don't post it's not because I don't enjoy the
physics debate. If you're interested, I will be posting more
pages from the manual and a cut-a-way drawing of the distortion
unit.
03-09-2001 07:11 AM
Greetings everyone. I do plan to get to the questions soon.
I have been quite busy lately so I apologize for being a bit
slow.
In my travels over your web, I came across this section of
a speculative news article. I would urge you all to take a
good hard look at this idea and consider the possibility that
it is true. And no, I did not make this up nor am I trying
to tell you something in a left-handed way.
03-09-2001 08:53 AM
(Forum member name) mentioned a few posts ago that he thought
possibly the (other forum member name) persona might be a
"sophisticated dialogue" construct of our time-traveler
for self-dialogue.
Had you considered the possibility that (other forum member
name)is the one who made me up?
Dear Fellow Time Travelers:
In about 30 days, I will be leaving this worldline to return
home to 2036. I first want to say thank you for the wonderful
conversation and insight into your society. I have learned
a great deal and my opinion on quite a few things has changed
dramatically.
I will finish the questions that have been posted on this
site up to this date. Unfortunately, I must now spend my spare
time preparing to leave and I will not be on the computer
very much. I do however want to repeat my offer and add a
slight twist.
After going over my flight plan home, I have discovered my
VGL holdover period is a bit longer than I expected. I will
be spending at least three weeks in April of 1998 as I make
my way back to 1975. Therefore, I not only offer you the chance
to leave a message to yourself in 2036 but I offer you the
chance to leave yourself a message in 1998. I will take any
compiled messages and email addressees you provide and send
them on the net when I get to 1998.
Granted, this will not affect you on your worldline now but
you make take some comfort that another "you" on
another worldline has the advantage of knowing something you
wish you knew three years ago. Based on the earlier questions
I've seen, I've decided a day-to-day record of the Dow a day
in advance should convince you that the messages are real
in 1998.
In addition, I am hopeful a series of photocopies and photographs
will be available for you that may give you more insight into
the technology of the distortion unit. I will let you know
the address of the site when it is available. I also plan
to have my parents videotape my departure. If they succeed,
it will also be posted after I leave.
I look forward to these last few weeks with my family and
I will check in periodically to check this site.
Live in Peace 2001,
John
10
March 2001 22:35
Dear
Fellow Time Travelers:
In about 30 days, I will be leaving this worldline to return
home to 2036. I first want to say thank you for the wonderful
conversation and insight into your society. I have learned
a great deal and my opinion on quite a few things has changed
dramatically.
I
will finish the questions that have been posted on this site
up to this date. Unfortunately, I must now spend my spare
time preparing to leave and I will not be on the computer
very much. I do however want to repeat my offer and add a
slight twist.
After
going over my flight plan home, I have discovered my VGL holdover
period is a bit longer than I expected. I will be spending
at least three weeks in April of 1998 as I make my way back
to 1975. Therefore, I not only offer you the chance to leave
a message to yourself in 2036 but I offer you the chance to
leave yourself a message in 1998. I will take any compiled
messages and email addressees you provide and send them on
the net when I get to 1998.
Granted,
this will not affect you on your worldline now but you make
take some comfort that another "you" on another
worldline has the advantage of knowing something you wish
you knew three years ago. Based on the earlier questions I've
seen, I've decided a day-to-day record of the Dow a day in
advance should convince you that the messages are real in
1998.
In
addition, I am hopeful a series of photocopies and photographs
will be available for you that may give you more insight into
the technology of the distortion unit. I will let you know
the address of the site when it is available. I also plan
to have my parents videotape my departure. If they succeed,
it will also be posted after I leave.
I
look forward to these last few weeks with my family and I
will check in periodically to check this site.
Live
in Peace 2001,
03-13-2001
04:10 AM
I'm going to try and get to the remaining questions today.
(Forum member name) has been collecting the email and forwarding
them to another address. In respect for your privacy, I am
not reading them. I am only planning to forward them.
03-13-2001 08:41 AM
Bodies
under acceleration lose their initial constant velocity worldline
reference with respect to each other - the Twins Paradox.
I'm
not sure that's accurate. Twin Paradox time travel only suspends
your perspective on a local level as the "world"
around you goes on. You do not change worldlines.
Given
that you have a 2.5% divergence from your worldline and the
micro-singularities are subject to the same divergence, how
do you keep them in phase?
Good
thinking but that's not exactly the way they work and divergence
is not cumulative.
Does the divergence extend into N-dimensions? Is the 2.5%
the total error or is each dimension subject to the 2.5% divergence
individually?
Yes, that's a little closer. You should perhaps change the
"N" to and "X" to avoid string theory
confusion.
The "machine" with the energy to do it will come
on-line very soon. The "method" for doing it has
already been "mostly" perfected in the Z machine
at the National lab in New Mexico.
I
believe that it would theoretically take the total energy
output of the Sun to form one micro-singularity, let along
two.
Not
that much.
I
haven't seen an answer to my issue concerning moral turpitude
through action or inaction. Did I miss it?
If
I missed something, please repeat it.
But let me ask you one simple question:
instead of sitting at your computer, why not present yourself
to the government?
Please
take a look at the front cover of this month's (technology
magazine) because it's a great example of your legacy to 2036
after the war. One side of the cover it describes in great
detail how your government is ready spying on you. On the
other side (and just as important) it tells you how to install
a hot tub.
The reason time travelers do not revel themselves is because
your society scares the hell out of us. We do not want to
end up in a cement room on a permanent supply of sodium prenatal
as men with lab coats poke at our machine with a screwdriver.
Would
not the computer from 1975 be bigger than the time machine
used to haul it back to 2036?
Not
at all. The 5100 series will fit on a tabletop.
Are people using "reverse speech"?
Not that
I'm aware of.
WACO with criminal violations of
the law either directly or impliedly as is done in this video,
simply doesn't accord with the real facts.
A
large point of contention seems to be the "flashes"
of light that appear to be gunfire that were recorded from
the aircraft flying over the compound. The FBI has stated
that these flashes were sunlight reflections. I find that
rather interesting since the camera was not a visible light
camera, it was a thermal camera. If the federal forces learned
anything from WACO it was to install more reliable suppressors
on their automatic weapons and don't use flash grenades that
leave shell casings after the fire.
Where did you attend High school and what year did you
graduate?
No, I did
not have a "high school" experience.
What college did you attend, what year did you graduate?
I was educated
at the University of Florida. I entered a military sponsored
program in 2029 and graduated between 2033 - 34. No, it was
not very similar.
If
you fell in love with someone here and took her with you in
your time machine, wouldn't that act upset both of our worldlines?
No,
it would not disrupt anyone's worldlines.
Have you had a chance to watch a movie here that you had
already seen in your 2036 worldline? Did they have the same
endings?
Interesting
question. If I watch enough of them I should see a difference
somewhere but I haven't seen one yet.
03-13-2001 08:46 AM
Where is the mass coming from to form your singularities?
E=MC squared can be solved for mass
too.
This appeared to be the same question from the other site
so I just copied my old response.
You
stated that your society is not involved in space travel.
He's also stated that the temperature in and around his device
while in use is approximately 100 degrees.
I'm
not sure I understand the connection between no space travel
and the temperature around the device.
The singularities are not unstable; therefore, uncontrolled
evaporation is not possible. In addition, there is no extemporaneous
matter near the singularity that would cause it to give off
radiation or heat.
Maybe
(in order to make a singularity) you've taken a slice of the
Earth about 1.2 miles wide and compressed it into a singularity.
A
singularity about the size of an electron would only require
the mass of a large mountain. The singularities inside the
C204 are much small than that. And no, I didn't make them.
Then must be gobbling up the Earth to make their singularities.
You know
E = MC squared can be written to solve for mass too.
03-14-2001 02:05 AM
John Titor, would you consider video taping your departure?
What would we expect to be see from the outside perspective?
Earlier
in the thread I had said I would be willing to videotape my
departure. There are a few technical and logistical problems
but I do plan to have it done. (i.e. the videotape recording
has static and interference if it's too close to the unit.)
At this point, the videotape would be for pure entertainment
value. It won't prove one way or another if I'm a time traveler
but I feel you deserve just a tad of bread and circuses.
When I approached my grandfather in 1975 it took me quite
a while to convince him I was who I said I was. He said something
I've never forgotten and I've heard some of you allude to
it also. After looking at the unit he turned to me and said,
"Either you've escaped from an insane asylum or you're
a time traveler. As the weeks went on, it occurred to me that
both were just as threatening and dangerous to him and I'm
not sure he ever decided which one was worse.
Based on my own experiences on the web and a few comments
some of you have made, I suspect Art is growing weary of people
claiming to be time travelers for the same reason. As we have
discussed, there is really no way to prove it and I would
imagine Art is tired of putting himself at risk by entertaining
the idea. He does have a responsibility to his listeners and
I respect that. I suppose it goes back to the old question
you've all asked yourselves. What is proof of time travel?
03-14-2001 09:23 AM
Why
is it not ok to give us information about our near future
but it is ok to take back emails and modify another worldline?
I'm
not saying anything in your messages. You are. Are you suggesting
I edit your emails? Are you unable to weigh the consequences
of your opportunity and I am now responsible for what you
might say to yourself? Now that you have the chance to put
your own morals to the test do you feel you're incapable of
living up to your own standards?
Is it wrong to say one thing and not something else? If you
feel you should tell yourself to buy a certain stock than
I suppose you are willing to take the risk that "your"
advice doesn't prove wrong in the next few days.
What ever I might do, I would consider the fact that someday
you will have to address this question again as an entire
society.
Why would I offer to make the video if I thought it would
"expose" me? If it makes you feel better, I doubt
it will change your mind anyway but it will give you something
to talk about when I'm gone. I think that's the greatest gift
I could give you.
03-14-2001 11:20 AM
I know you don't understand me, which is sad.
Perhaps you
are just having a hard time making yourself clear? I will
admit you are a little out of my ballpark but I do understand
what you are referring to.
It's Hawking Radiation you can't
overcome.
Yes,
that is true. If you firmly believe that Hawking radiation
cannot be controlled or goes on even without the presence
of virtual particles forever until the singularity explodes
than you are correct.
A simple "E=Mc^2" isn't the answer.
You asked
where the mass comes from. I simply pointed out that mass
and energy are interchangeable in the same equation. One of
my Stanford pals tells me there is a running gag about the
chances a VW Beetle spontaneously appearing inside the accelerator.
It could only come from the transfer of energy to mass.
You
have to form the singularity for your machine to work and
that takes mass.
That
is incorrect.
The faulty part of your description
for your device involves Hawking Radiation. Its not the size
of the singularity that matters, its the mass involved that
determines the temperature of the radiation.
You
seem to be quite upset and I understand your argument. I do
however think it is important to gather the facts and probabilities
before expelling emotional energy on them. Please keep in
mind that I have not shared all the technical details of the
machine with you. So an easy out would be for me to just make
something up.
However, and as I'm sure you are aware, Stephen Hawking admits
that his own equations support the "possibility"
that microsingularities may not totally disappear as they
evaporate in a sea of virtual particles and in fact may leave
behind a very stable naked singularity. I'm sure you can look
that up. I suppose the difficult part is believing that we've
taken advantage of it, not that it's impossible.
03-15-2001 01:17 PM
I realize that you haven't given
"all of the technical details" of the device.
Actually,
I'm hoping the cut-a-way drawing from the manual will be available
to you very soon.
If it (the device) exists, the details aren't yours to
give in any case.
So let me
get this straight, John please prove you're a time traveler
but don't show us any copyrighted material?
The
details that you have posted publicly may actually be in violation
of copyright and patent law.
No,
I am not breaking any of "my" laws but I suppose
that's something else you and your worldline will have to
deal with when time travel comes.
The
reason that I ask this question is that we don't know that
GE isn't working on this device as we speak.
They
might be now.
You see a time machine. I see
a weapons system.
Yes I suppose
that is one thing you could do with it. I could also cut my
hand off with a power saw or heat up a crowd of people with
a microwave. However, I believe Teller already came up with
an X-ray laser that destroys itself after going off.
X-rays will be emitted if matter
is pumped into the device.
Actually,
I thought we were focusing on the degree of radiation and
temperature. I don't believe I ever said it didn't give off
radiation. Yes, the device does give off x-rays.
The drawing indicates in Detail #5
"X-Ray Venting Zone". It details x-rays being focused
and vented directionally. It has applications as a weapons
system.
As
you said, it's interesting that I see a time machine and you
see a weapon. Maybe it's a sign of the "times".
However, it is a good point. If the Chinese or Russians thought
you had one of these what do you think they would do?
Again, maybe you should ask yourself if you're sure you want
me to prove I'm a time traveler. Maybe that's what makes a
time traveler "evil" in that he would be willing
to share everything with you.
If John's device is real, it belongs to another world altogether.
another GE, therefore it would violate no known copy right
laws.
Any
government document cannot be copyrighted. I could also argue
that the manual "could" be from a future where it
has become public domain but then again, it would mean proving
I am a time traveler.
03-16-2001 07:09 AM
To my knowledge, there are no other sites where these pictures
can be seen and is stable. A few of them have not been posted
before. I suspect they will generate more questions which
I will try to address.
03-16-2001 03:14 PM
Government documents actually
are copyrighted. Here's one example.
My fault.
It's Federal documents.
03-17-2001 03:55 AM
Heavier
than air aircraft flight happened in 1903. You said 1910.
It's only the most important date in the history of aviation
and flight other than 1969.
I
suppose it's impossible to defend every possible combination
of what people want to see. I don't believe I said anything
about the date for the first flight. All I did was pick a
moment in history.
03-17-2001 05:28 PM
Where mass is accelerated to light
speed and forms a singularity doesn't exist.
I can't find
where I said that. Could you point that for me?
The speed of light squared is a constant number used to represent
the variation between energy and mass. It does not imply that
acceleration is required to change or represent the other.
03-18-2001 01:01 AM
The
acceleration to light speed is implied in your reference to
virtual mass. Virtual particles travel at light speed. I tried
to give you an out there but you insisted that the mass was
virtual.
The
word implied is not a very stable platform to come up with
a profile for my parents education but I applaud your attempt.
Well at least we aren't seeing any more thermal and mass stabs
in the dark. Interesting profile but you couldn't slide me
just 10 more points on the I.Q.?
Are you suggesting that in all cases there must be an acceleration
component in the conversion of energy to mass or mass to energy?
03-18-2001 04:27 PM
John's use of the English is very
baby-boomer.
I actually
worked quite hard on that. It appears the physics questions
have come to a halt but at least you're not insulting about
my mother anymore. Thanks.
There
is nothing in his use of the English language that is atypical
of someone born between 1945-1975.
Perhaps
you could raise your confidence level to 100% by going from
30 to say... 100 years, maybe 1930 - 2030?
The tools you use to have that much faith in my profile must
be pretty good. I'm interested in what you compared me with.
How exactly does a person born in 1998 who traveled across
worldlines from 2036 use the English language?
17
March 2001 11:26
The
pictures I promised:
03-24-2001
03:53 PM
I will be leaving this worldline shortly and this will be
my final post. There are only a handful of people who will
know exactly when I will be leaving and I'm sure they will
let you know when I'm gone.
In the last few days I have found your choice of topics quite
interesting and from an objective viewpoint I think it collectively
answers one of your own questions, "If time travel is
real, where are all the time travelers?" In the past,
I have stated that quite frankly, you all scare the Hell out
of me and I'm sure other temporal drivers would feel the same.
But now I have an expanded explanation with two examples.
A while ago (on one of the posts), I related an experience
I had with my parents while we were driving down a highway.
Every now and then, we would pass someone who was in obvious
distress with their vehicle. I was amazed that so many people
could pass them by without stopping to help. Their explanation
was fear. The risk of helping someone was too great and with
today's technology, they probably had a cell phone anyway.
If they didn't, the walk to a gas station would be good for
them and teach them a lesson for running out of gas.
The other example is the plight of the homeless. When you
pass them as individuals on the street I see the way people
selectively choose an alternate path to avoid them.
Those two examples best define why time travelers do not show
themselves. In trying to help you, we put ourselves as great
risk and there's really no point to it. We know the nature
of time dictates that traveling between "exact"
worldlines is impossible. Therefore, the only results we will
see will be the ones we stay to see. Since worldlines, outcomes
and events are infinite, we have better things to do. When
I arrive in the "new" 1998 worldline on my way home
I could easily start all of this again and continue to go
through the same conversations with all of the same people.
However, I already know you won't pay any attention or believe
me because we've already been through it on this worldline.
Besides, I think the walk to the gas station will do you some
good.
The following are the last questions I saw before my "going
home" post. I apologize for not being able to get to
all of them.
Do
most of the people of that time die, especially ones that
currently have health problems?
Yes, and people are still
dying and a great deal of them are passing from CJD. As I
said, with my very first few posts almost 6 months ago, I
want to emphasize how devastating this will be. I believe
two people are confirmed dead in Colorado from CDJ from surgical
instruments. Ahhhh, the power of cheese. Milk does a body
good and beef is what's for dinner!
Me: "No, I have not tried any fast food. Thinking about
where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated absolutely
terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease
and it seems to be "catching on" in Europe."
Me: Do not eat or use products from any animal that is fed
and eats parts of its own dead.
Me: The "Mad Cow" story here is yet to begin...
Is
it possible that sometime in your future that time travel
will be commonplace?
Yes,
that is absolutely possible and eventual.
Have any of the scientists of your time discovered any
new planets, possibly ones with life?
Not
that I'm aware of.
Has the bandwidth of the Internet
increased greatly?
Yes.
One last question, how did Texas fare during the war?
Texas is
still there but Spanish is a lot more popular.
How does time travel affect future
exploration of the universe?
There is
a great deal of debate about trying to use a distortion unit
to "travel" to the moon. The experiment would require
very precise calculations that would allow the VGL system
to find a theoretical path to the moon on a different worldline.
The only problem is there is no way to communicate with anyone
if the experiment should succeed. In other words, it's possible
to do it but only the people on the receiving end could take
advantage of it.
My oldest son wanted me to ask
if you have any siblings.
No,
I am an only child.
Are you still planning on broadcasting
your departure over the Internet?
My father
will be videotaping the departure. My primary concern is the
anonymity of my family. In addition, my departure will be
in a somewhat public place and I do not want to draw additional
attention to myself.
Is there still (sporting event)
in 2036?
Yes, we still
play basketball but I am not a fan and can't comment on its
organization.
You
say that you wear a flight suit and that you experience 2
g's for 6-8 hrs. How is it possible to withstand that kind
of g-force for such a long period without the use of an anti-g
suit?
The
average human can take 2 G's without too much difficulty.
Blackout occurs at about 8 or 9 Gs and red-out occurs at negative
3 Gs.
I
know you must be physically trained for space travel, but
you should also have the benefit of equipment to help you
out.
We
are encouraged to stay physically fit.
In an effort to address (forum member name) comments, (and
in all fairness) the following posts are out of context and
not in order. If I'm not a real time traveler I would suggest
that Emmett is at a disadvantage on his tactics to "expose"
me.
If I present a picture of a sea monster to you and I claim
it's real you are forced to argue its validity on the basis
of the evidence that I present or create. Under these circumstances,
you can't win. If you look at the picture and argue that sea
monsters should have more teeth or their incisors are not
in proportion to the amount of fish they eat, it's easy to
ask you how you know so much about sea monsters if they don't
exist. Granted, you could point to dinosaur skeletons and
make comparisons. But I can still say, its not a dinosaur,
it's a sea monster. In fact, I could even "whip"
up some tooth marks on a piece of petrified wood and prove
to you don't know anything about sea monsters.
I
realize that you haven't given "all of the technical
details" of the device but your device, as described,
simply won't work.
If
you don't have all the details, how do you know it doesn't
work?
Honestly,
I'm not upset about any of this and the only emotion involved
for me is joy. This is fun! It really is.
Joy?
(Forum member name) drew the following assumptions from our
conversation and I don't believe I said any of them.
The universe that you described, that is, one where mass is
accelerated to light speed and forms a singularity doesn't
exist.
As you accelerated to light speed in your machine you and
your machine formed a black hole.
From your perspective as you accelerated to light speed every
other object in the universe formed a black hole due to your
relative velocities.
Take a close look at the technical
drawing, very poor quality CAD for a billion dollar project.
A
billion? How do you know it's a CAD drawing?
If you have contact with Boomer please attempt to verify
the elapsed time for his trip from 2036 to 1975. I need that
data for a calculation.
The
first leg takes me to 1998. I think I said that quite a few
times.
He also said that the mass of the
singularities is that of a "small mountain".
If that were
true, the unit could not be moved. I only referenced the mass
of a small mountain in one of our physics conversations. In
fact, I believe I said the mass for the singularities in the
distortion unit was much smaller.
The last time I checked I didn't
see an "on-off" switch for a black hole.
Me
neither. I don't believe I said you could turn it on or off.
At 2 g acceleration you will be traveling just a tad faster
than a Chevy pick-up in short order.
This
is the one that really disappoints me. Even you should know
that Einstein's thought experiment in the isolated elevator
was based on the idea that the effects of acceleration and
gravity are the same. I never said acceleration had anything
to do with how the unit operates.
Does it really make sense that his
handlers would authorize a personal vacation with their billion-dollar
machine?
I'm
looking at my orders and I don't see the word vacation on
it anywhere. You had my hopes up for a moment. Interesting
how quickly a zillion-dollars has become a fact now.
The
answer to the question, "How does a person born in 1998
use the language...?" is - who knows?
I
agree. How would you know?
The two yellow caution tapes on the device are misaligned.
Sloppy workmanship.
I'll have
to point that out to my "handlers" when I get back.
I
suppose that if you were interested in verification of Boomer's
science that you could go right to the source, Dr. Frank Tipler.
He's
a very pleasant gentleman. I highly recommend his book, The
Physics of Immortality. I believe I made reference to this
earlier.
What
would prevent us, the enemy state, from returning the machine
to 2036 with a suitcase nuclear device?
This
is the second time I've seen a reference to the unit as a
weapon. I would submit that the people of this worldline have
nothing to fear from me. What would you do with the unit?
In your opinion, what is the smallest mass that can form a
singularity? Even Hawking suggested primordial singularities
were created at the Big Bang. Were there planets (or half
planets) around to form them then?
Based on your ability to draw conclusions about someone's
profile from their typed words I find it hard to believe you
would make such errors in the syntax and meaning of the exact
same words. Unfortunately, you have now maneuvered yourself
into a position where I have the last word and our debate
has come to an end. Boomer isn't a bad name and I sort of
like it. Thanks.
If
there were an infinite number of realities, then there would
necessarily arise a reality that somehow causes there to be
no other realities.
Yes!!
Excellent insight. I would have enjoyed a conversation on
this.
I also want to thank (forum member name) for helping me with
the email and everyone else who asked intelligent and insightful
questions. I have learned a great deal.
No, I do not have a secret agenda but I have been paying a
great deal of attention to your worldline. My interaction
with you was not a direct mission parameter but it was a secondary
mission protocol based on standing orders given to all temporal
drivers.
That secondary objective is basically to gather as much information
about a worldline based on a set of observable variables when
we first arrive. Your worldline met those conditions. What
amazes me is why no one here wonders why Y2K didn't hit them
at all?
Bring a gas can with you when the car dies on the side of
the road.
Farewell.
John
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